A common question that trans guys and body builders alike have is:
Which is better, testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate?
It’s a bit of a moot question since the two are so similar, and as lots of people say, testosterone is testosterone is testosterone… Both are slow-acting testosterone esters with a release time between 10-14 days. They are considered largely interchangeable.
While there is little difference between the two, some body builders swear that cypionate provides a bit more of a “kick” than enanthate. (Though this seems to contradict some of the information below.) Additionally, it’s said to produce a slightly higher level of water retention than enanthate.
I recently requested a higher concentration prescription of testosterone now that I am injecting 200 mg / two weeks. Having the higher concentration means I can inject less volume.
My prescription has been for testosterone cypionate since the beginning. My local Wal-Mart was not able to get me this in a 200 mg/ml concentration, so I took my prescription to the compounding pharmacy where I ordered my DHT cream. It took two weeks, but they got my new T in today. (The DHT is still not in.) They weren’t able to get cypionate and substituted enanthate instead, the Delatestryl name brand. It came in two 5 ml vials instead of one 10 ml vial.
What’s the difference between cypionate and enanthate?
- Enanthate is manufactured widely throughout the world, while cypionate is less common outside the USA. Hence, cypionate tends to be more common in the States.
- Enanthate is suspended in sesame oil; cypionate is suspended in cottonseed oil.
- Enanthate has a 7-carbon ester chain while cypionate has an 8-carbon ester chain. The more carbons the ester group has, the more soluble in oil and the less soluble in water it becomes. As a result, cypionate has a slightly slower release and longer active life.
- Due to being one atom lighter, enanthate has more testosterone per mg. The difference is insignificant though, perhaps a few milligrams amount of steroid more.
Cost is another difference that influences people to choose enanthate over cypionate, which tends to be slightly more expensive*. I was paying $35.99 CAD for 10 ml of 100 mg/ml of testosterone cypionate. Today, I paid $60.76 CAD for 10 ml of 200 mg/ml of testosterone enanthate. That works out to just over $10 CAD cheaper, though I don’t know if that’s because it’s enanthate or because it’s the higher concentration (I’ve been told that higher concentration T is usually less expensive.)
Practically speaking, enanthate and cypionate are virtually identical. I doubt I’ll any differences, but you can be sure that if I do I’ll post all the details!
*The cost of enanthate in Canada now exceeds the cost of cypionate significantly. See the price chart here.
Related: DHT – Dihydrotestosterone is an androgen, synthesized primarily in the male prostate gland, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal glands by the enzyme 5a-reductase.
thanks for the info.!
I’ve been on a low dose of Delatestryl since I started (50mg per week, subcutaneous injection) and the effects have been amazingly quick.
Yeah Jacky, T looks great on you! 😉 Any idea where your levels are at these days?
I have no clue. When I saw my endo, he didn’t have the results of my blood work yet because I had gone too late. I’m seeing him again in March. I could find out what the last results were, I suppose but I’m not overly concerned about it.
I’m a bit of a stats freak: I get my lab reports faxed directly to me.
Genderoutlaw: I did get that impression from some of your posts. On the other hand, I don’t really pay much attention to stats. This is true in both my professional pursuits (I’m an ethnographer and more into qualitative research) and my personal life (I’m lousy at budgeting). Pros and cons to everything! Hahaha.
i didnt even know there were different types of T
@Jacky: I’m a Deadhead and a baseball freak. Every dollar I spend goes in a monthly spreadsheet. Yes, I guess you could say stats are in my blood. 😉
Spreadsheet, eh? If you’re even in Montreal, I’ll have to introduce you to my GF. She LOVEs spreadsheets, graphs, checklists, etc.
There seems to be a major difference for me in cypionate vs enanthate. I have pain and tenderness at the injection site with cypionate—assume it’s the cotton seed oil that I’m reacting to. Have no such problem with enanthate in sesame oil. Have been on the stuff for two years now for medical reason as opposed to body building. Prefer the shot to daily cream application. Any one else brought this up?
I used Nandrolone (Enanthate) 20 years ago. I weighed 135 lbs and worked in a steel fab shop, I used it to increase my muscle mass. I noticed if you inject it too quick it made me sore, this was because the thick cotton seed oil basically tore the muscle fibers at the site and felt like a charley horse for a week or so. If you inject very slow it allows the oil to spread out without tearing the fibers. Now I am 52 and just started the Cypionate, this time it is for my low testosterone level. What a difference 20 years make, Ha Ha.
Thanks for your comments, Bill! I agree that injecting slowly is key. My doctor gave me the opposite advice, but I got the slow injection tip from a bodybuilding forum and it’s made shots consistently easier.
Thanks for your comment, Bob! Yes, reactions to cottonseed oil are pretty common actually. I haven’t heard of anyone having reactions to sesame oil though, so I’m guessing it’s a less common occurrence.
do you know of any source of reasonably priced enanthate?
best I’ve been able to do is 70.00 per 10 ml and as high as 96.00 once.
I assume you are in the US. Check with Strohecker’s Pharmacy. They only list cypionate on the website, but I can’t see why they wouldn’t be able to bring in enanthate. I know many people who order from there.
thank you kind sir……..I looked them up and will be in touch with them. They’re compounding a cypionate in sessime oil rather than cotton seed oil. Will be interesting to get their feedback on the subject. Apreciate your help….bb
I ordered my testosterone cypionate from Stroheckers recently, for the first time, and it says, “cypionate;sesame oil” and you mentioned that cypionate is usually suspended in cottonseed. Can this be interchangable? I could not find much online so thanks in advance for your help.
How do we order it ourselves.
I went online to Strohecker’s Pharmacy and it looks like you have to have a doctor’s prescription to get it.
Thanks,
Alex
Yes, T is a controlled substance and a prescription is required to obtain it.
Yes, the suspension oil is interchangeable. Cottonseed allergies are common, so those with sensitivities will want to get their T in sesame oil instead.
Hey, great post. I don’t know if you remember me from earlier; I was telling you about how Dr. Knudson wasn’t accepting patients.
Well, I went to see Dr. Preece as you mentioned her on your blog, and after one session I was able to start T. Had my first shot on the 16th, and decided to do a little research on different types of T… and guess where the internet threw me back to? Haha. This is starting to become my one-stop trans info site. Great stuff.
Hey hey! Congratulations on starting T! Whoo hoo!! I haven’t noticed any marked differences between cypionate and enanthate.
Thanks man. Really appreciate the info. If other guys hadn’t recommended Dr. Preece so highly I probably never would have gone to see her.
Sorry to hear about your VVF troubles, by the way. I hope you can get to a specialist asap.
My doctor has me injecting the testosterone sub-q, while the box clearly states for IM use only. Any ideas comments or suggestions? I’m a little weary that my doctor is going against drug manufacturer recommendations.
No worries, Scott, sub-q works! I only know one other guy doing sub-q and we discussed this in the comments of this post.
This study of sub-Q T in biomales concluded that it was 100% effective.
It’s been suggested that the IM requirement is something perpetuated by pharm companies who want to make T injection seem less of a hassle, re: less frequent administration. (Lower volume and more frequent injections are recommended with sub-Q, to minimize potential for development of abscesses, and because lower absorption is claimed.)
I read on some bodybuilding forums that there’s potential for more aromatisation of T to E with sub-Q, but it doesn’t sound like there are any hard facts to back this up.
In the end, I think the best gauge of how T is working are your personal results. It’s so different for everyone!
ps. I just came across this video from a guy doing sub-cutaneous T.
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Right on, glad it’s helpful!
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Ive been on Cypionate for about 2 1/2 months at 100 mg every 2 weeks. I havent felt any improvement. I went back to the Dr. and she increased it to 200mg every 2 weeks. I sure hope this helps and I start to feel something. I took my first 200mg shot today. Any suggestions if I dont feel any improvments?
It’s prudent to adjust testosterone dosages cautiously, and it can take the body 2-3 months to register an increase of testosterone, so it sounds like your doctor is on the right track and that the latest increase is a good idea. Every body is different so it can take some trial and error to get levels “in the zone.” If the 200mg/2wks dosage doesn’t help, you could either increase dosage again or increase frequency (such as 100mg every week.)
Bro today i started my t testosterone enanthanate 250 mg1 ml every 3 weeks
Hi Frank! You should be doing a 500mg shoot twice a week. 200mg every 2 weeks is nothing. I’ve been using T for a year and have used several different types. I’ve experienced good results with all of them. But you should be doing 1000mg per week. Try it once… and see how you feel. There’s no down side. =)
Hi.. realize this is an old discussion but wanted to clarify that nandrolone is not enanthate, it is the generic name for Deca Durabolin… a non androgenic testosterone… FTMs won’t get any virilization from it.. and it will give you some serious post inject pain… great for putting on muscle mass but leaves you feeling like a mule kicked you..
Cheers,
Shane
This was useful! Shot bud
I know this is really old…Some test is made in different oils than mentioned. Some are even made in coconut and safflower oil.
This is one of the best answers I was able to find comparing cypionate vs enanthate, straight and to the point helped me out a lot.
Thank you